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hasher |
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October 22, 2010 12:47:37am |
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THE Ark Show? |
I've heard through the grapevine or ESP of a legendary show at this venue. I'm just not sure which show it was. Any thoughts on which Ark performance was THE one?
This post was modified by hasher on 2010-10-22 07:47:37
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October 22, 2010 02:12:06am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
I should really work on comprehension when reading. Having stated the obvious twice...
My pick would be night 3/the 23rd. The 21st is great too but I like the last night better.
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October 24, 2010 02:01:50am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
yes yes yes...its SO tough to chose just ONE of these shows really, like everyone else i think they are all fantastic.
i was just listening to the Morning Dew and Eleven>Gator from 4/23 and thinking about how great and creative that show is...and the 4/22 Dark Star! OMG, what a masterpiece! aaaaaah, i can't decide!
but if i really really had to chose i think Cliff is right in picking the 21st...its probably the best and most consistent of the three, and it has such a wicked VLB.
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Cliff Hucker |
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October 22, 2010 05:48:04am |
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My personal favorite has always been the performance from the 21st. This historic show has a "bare wires" intensity and contains some rather unique jamming. It features a top-notch Dark Star and the best Other One suite of the stand. Plus a Viola Lee Blues!!!
The performance of Dark Star from the 22nd is likely the best over the three nights. It too is a dynamite show, though the Other One doesnt get the same treatment as the preceeding night.
The 23rd is fantastic as well, but there are some equipment problems a couple of bad cuts. Still, they ratchet up the intensity again jamming The Eleven into Caution.
There is some parity between these performances, much like the three-night stand at the Tea Party (same venue with a different name?) later in the year. All three deserve to be officially boxed up and released together. But the 21st is a legendary show, a top-ten of 1969 and the best of the run in my opinion!
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midnightcarousel |
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October 22, 2010 07:06:58am |
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Isn't the 4/22 other one heavily cut? My copy is like 2 minutes long.
This post was modified by midnightcarousel on 2010-10-22 14:06:58
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light into ashes |
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October 22, 2010 09:56:38am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Not really. You'll notice the Other One Lemieux played still has a huge cut.
It's likely the missing portion is on Bear's duplicate cassette, though. I'm still hoping a tape with the complete 4/23 Caution will be found... The uncut Stephen>Sin was a nice find, but I'd like the uncut jam!
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Jim F |
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October 22, 2010 11:17:04pm |
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That was my big hope when the "yard sale tape" of 4/23 came out. Honestly I could have cared less about the missing Stephen>It's a Sin portion, I was way more interested in a patch for the fantastic alligator/eleven/caution sequence. Hopefully it's out there, or at least part of it is...? On a related note, I'm wondering how they handled the cuts/patches/source changes we've known on all of our previous copies of 5/24 and 25/69? Perhaps they aren't there in the vault reels? I'm anxious to hear how it all sounds.
I have heard it said that the Ark and the Tea Party were the same venue? Maybe it wasn't those two, but I'm pretty sure it was in Boston. Wasn't there like an old supermarket that got turned into a concert venue? Is that the same place? I wish I could remember where I read all that.
This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-10-23 06:17:04
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light into ashes |
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October 23, 2010 12:50:36am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Boston did have a theater called the Psychedelic Supermarket, which was converted from a parking garage, and was not very popular.
As one reviewer said, "During the day it was a garage parking lot; at night the bottom floor was the club. It's hard to believe now that it even existed. There was nothing psychedelic about it, unless you hallucinated from inhaling oil and gas fumes."
The Boston Tea Party was the most successful dance hall in town from '67-70. The Ark was a very short-lived competitor that flopped in '69, and the Tea Party moved into their space.
More info here:
http://www.punkblowfish.com/BostonTeaParty.html http://www.punkblowfish.com/BostonClubsSixties.html http://www.punkblowfish.com/BosstownSound.html The Dead played the Psychedelic Supermarket in December '67 - but what's really tantalizing is their three-night run at the Tea Party in October '69 - of which we have not a trace. Considering what the April and December '69 runs were like, it must have been pretty good...
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Jim F |
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October 23, 2010 02:25:40am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Thanks for clearing that up. As for "but what's really tantalizing is their three-night run at the Tea Party in October '69 - of which we have not a trace. Considering what the April and December '69 runs were like, it must have been pretty good..."
I bet...sure would love to hear that. Only in dreams.
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light into ashes |
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October 23, 2010 07:55:32am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Only on Bear's tapes, that is. There is a chance...
People don't often realize, but over 30 shows from 1969 are missing from circulation. Yet Latvala & Lemieux have both said that most of the year is still in the Vault.
It is strange, though, that we have not a single SBD from late Sep/early Oct '69...
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Dudley Dead |
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October 22, 2010 08:04:07am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
" All three deserve to be officially boxed up and released together."
AMEN ! But I suspect that with the Filmore West set ( even in its truncated form ), and the recent "Powwow " release , they might, if it was 1969 they were after, pick something from late in the year , maybe the Boston Tea party run ...
Can't you see the marketing " get yourself a REAL Tea party..."
Anyway I hope they do, do the Ark run someday .
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William Tell |
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October 22, 2010 10:25:31am |
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Ha! (real tea party)...good one.
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October 22, 2010 07:02:46pm |
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one of the best Viola Lee's...complete with the amps getting shut off and the band a cappella singing the last couple of verses...great show...one of the first 69' shows I had on tape...that and 04-05 and 06-05...
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ringolevio |
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October 23, 2010 03:58:53am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Wait - which one?
(I can't tell which post this replies to. Am I the only one that sometimes has this problem?)
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light into ashes |
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October 23, 2010 07:50:30am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Strat's lost it. He's thinking of the 4/6/69 Avalon Viola Lee. (Of course, to some, that could still be a legendary Ark show....)
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AltheaRose |
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October 23, 2010 09:42:50pm |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Boxed set ... yes, maybe we can start a petition :-)
Most surreal setting (maybe) for listening to 4/21/69 ... about a week ago, what with being on a bus in the Himalayas for hours and hours with the usual Cowboy Neal at the wheel, I figured this would be the right background music for the ride. Gotta say it's pretty interesting to veer around curves with dizzying drops below listening to this particular show ... not, perhaps, the most calming choice, but memorable!
Btw on my copy they go right into the Foxy Lady jam from the tuning. Doesn't seem like they'd have jumped into it right like that, but maybe they did ... anyone know (belatedly)?
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Cliff Hucker |
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October 25, 2010 12:45:15pm |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Yes, Foxey Lady Jam was the second set opener on 4/21.
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AltheaRose |
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October 25, 2010 07:44:05pm |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Yeah, I just wondered if they went on stage and tuned and noodled for a while and it emerged naturally in the iconic they-didn't-plan-it-beforehand mode, or if they came back on stage and went, bam, into Foxy Lady. Which is how it sounds on my version, and sort of suggests that they agreed during the break, hey, let's do Foxy Lady! Just rather vaguely and pointlessly curious about how it happened, since it was the only time (as far as I know) that they played it ...
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October 22, 2010 07:28:09am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
Repeated listens to all 3 during my 60's phase(phases) has steered me to the corner of the 4-21 show- ferocious jamming juxtaposed with eloquent beauty. a masterpiece.
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October 22, 2010 09:20:29am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
I think when people talk about "THE" Ark show, they're talking about 4/21, but all three are great. 4/23 takes it for me. St. Stephen> It's a Sin> Stephen is wonderful.
I love the opening bit too, where the band kind of pushes the stage annoncer in front of the mic -- "Speech! Speech!" so he can announce that he now thinks that the Dead are "the best fucking rock and roll band in the whole world!" After which they open with ... a rock and roll song? Rubbish! How about a slow, sad country ballad about a dead friend? Classic.
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70 blues skadoo |
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October 22, 2010 09:31:18am |
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isnt the stage announcer the same guy who gives them the lackluster 'some guys from the west coast' intro in the 21st? i guess the dead showed him the light.
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snow_and_rain |
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October 22, 2010 11:23:33am |
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Yeah, I'm sure it is. Must have felt a bit chastened after the first two shows.
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snow_and_rain |
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October 23, 2010 11:43:23am |
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Re: THE Ark Show? |
But can you really blame him? Look at that bunch of scrubs. They look like some ironic, hipster band from 1996.
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Jim F |
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October 23, 2010 10:00:31pm |
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Ah, Kreutzmann during the gay porn star mustache era, before he started rockin' the Bill Murray stache.
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October 24, 2010 02:11:58am |
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hahaha, his Murray Stash is so much better!
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